Instructors

Gathering Instructors - In no particular order. Each year will bring some returning instructors and some new ones will join us. This page is to introduce you to all of our dedicated teachers who travel from far and wide to make the gathering a success! If you are interested in being an instructor please scroll to the bottom of the page for contact details.
- This symbol (*) next to the name = teaching at this year's gathering -

Albert Abril

Our beloved Albert has passed away and he will be dearly missed. This is a photo taken about a week before his death where, true to form, he was teaching fiber arts at a S.A.L.T. Meeting. His skill set in ancestral skills was amazing, but more exceptional was his huge heart and his ability to be a friend to all.

Taken from his Obituary: Albert H. Abril III passed away at home on Sunday, January 12, 2020. He was 66 years old and a native Arizonan. He was born on October 15, 1953. Albert served in the Air Force as a firefighter and upon leaving the Air Force joined the Phoenix Fire Department in 1979 where he served until his retirement in 1999. While serving with the fire department he met the love of his life Joyce and they were married in 1988. After his retirement Albert enjoyed a wide range of activities, many of which he enjoyed in the Arizona desert that he loved so much. Albert was a wonderful and patient teacher. He taught many classes from weaving with various fibers to primitive skills. He was a valued partner with many organizations including the Pueblo Grande Museum, Botanical Gardens, Fiber Factory, Indian Market and the SALT group. He taught weaving at several primitive skills gatherings, Winter Count and Rabbitstick in both Arizona and Idaho.

Mike Wells*

Mike hails from Malad, ID where he resides with his wife, Rosemary and their Navajo Churro sheep. He will be guiding students in the use of old fashioned tools to construct rustic furniture from cordwood. He will also be teaching how to tap trees and make syrup from the sap, and natural beekeeping.

Karie Lee*

Karie is a long-time practitioner and teacher of primitive skills. She has taught wilderness and self-reliant skills at Inner Pathworks School and a variety of other skills gatherings, such as Wintercount, Rabbitstick, Between the Rivers and Saskatoon Circle. Even though she practices many of the skills in her daily home life, she focuses on teaching brain tanning, buckskin sewing, beading, awareness skills, herbology, and energy medicine. Her passion is to bring forth the spiritual aspects of the ancestral skills and the Art of Sacred Living.

Dale 'Blond Bear' Coleman

Dale 'Blond Bear' Coleman is one of the founders of Echoes in Time Gathering in Salem, Oregon each July. He is well-versed in primitive skills and historical reenacting of the western fur trade. He comes to teach and share some of the skills that cross both worlds including wolf-eared hats, Saami Buckskin bags, housewife, and stone bowls using pecking and grinding! Follow his latest project here.

Hal Farneman*

Hal hails from Spring City, Utah where he is finishing up a log cabin. He is making the trek north this spring to teach several ancient and very necessary arts. His skills include friction fire and Southeastern Soft-soled moccasins & other footwear.

David Wescott

David is one of the men responisble for much of the modern momentum of primitive skills, and is the owner of Backtracks, the company that sponsors Rabbitstick, Wintercount and Woodsmoke gatherings, from which most of the other gatherings around have sprung. He is a man of many skills, and he shared a few of them with us at Between the Rivers in 2013 including stone and bonework, cordage, adhesives, gourd fishing boxes, and more!

Patrick Farneman*

If you send an email or correspond with gathering business, Patrick is likely the person you will be dealing with. He is the executive director of Bridges to the Past, the non-profit parent organization that hosts this event. Patrick has been published in Survival Quarterly Magazine, and in The Bulletin of Primitive Technology. He has been an instructor at Rabbitstick, Wintercount, Echoes in Time, and Saskatoon Circle Gatherings, and has taught classes in ancestral skills privately and for multiple organizations for over 25 years. At BtR he will be the person scurrying around helping things to run smoothly. Please direct questions and feedback in Patrick's direction at: patrickf@bridgestothepast.org

Rick Lindsey*
Rick is a wealth of knowledge in historic skills and self-sufficiency, and he lives what he teaches. He is proficient in woodworking, book binding, leather working, and well, you name it, he can probably do it well! He has years of experience reenacting history, especially the years of the American fur trade.

Canada Jim*

Jim is joining us in 2014 and bringing a range of skills including Flintknapping, Traps & Snares and AtlAtl and Dart use. Jim brings a lot of knowledge with him from years of primitive skills and historical reenacting. He is also a skilled kayaker, hunter and forager!

Shaun Dellar *
Shaun has been practicing primitive skills and living history for years and has become proficient in many of the old skills including hide tanning, blacksmithing, and tracking and trapping. He is also into historical trekking, has all the gear and accoutrements from the early 1800's, and will be demonstrating and teaching fur trade life and camp skills. Peruse his etsy store here.

Mike Goot*
Antler Mike Goot has a love for the Atl Atl and Dart and all things primitive, and is especially crazy about...Antlers! He is also an avid nature lover, woods wanderer, tree hugger and loving husband, not always in that order. He is especially enthusiastic in the evening at raffle time - if you need tickets, he's got 'em!

Ray Jacobs
Ray is a one of a kind musician, singer and instrument builder and is the designer of the Rocky Mountain Dulcimer. He and his wife, Shirley, travel the West teaching classes in how to build and how to play the Rocky Mountain Dulcimer, and we are lucky enough to have them coming to Between the Rivers Gathering.

Jean Jones *
Jean is a one-of-a-kind multi-talented lady! She has been dedicated to our children's program for several years and does a great job teaching the skills and games of our ancestors to our young ones. She is a volunteer with our local radio station, KCHW, and is an avid musician, singer and guitar player. This year she has some special tricks up her sleeves for the young'uns!

Hazen Audel
Hazen has a broad range of primitive skills that he has cultured for over 25 years of practical travel and living among Native peoples around the globe. If given the raw materials, there isn't much of anything he can't make. Lately he has been able to show his skills and his comfort in harsh regions with a broad range of people as the host of the television shows, "Survive the Tribe" and "Primal Survivor" on the National Geographic Channel. Hazen will be teaching useful knots and will also be doing a presentation for us on his global travels and work with indigenous peoples.

George Michaud*
George has been around for a long time, and has a wealth of experience running traplines in wintertime by dog sled and tanning everything from mice to buffalo. He is joining us from Driggs, ID, and plans to teach fur brain tanning, and sewing of small buckskin items. George also makes and lives in his own Tipis. You may recognize him; he was featured for a season on the television show, "Mountain Men".

Bradley Phillips*
Bradley is an Eastern Oregon resident, he has been interested in primitive skills since childhood. Hugely influenced by Mr. Jim Riggs, he has been immersed in a variety of skills since 1994. His senior thesis was on primitive skills. He has degrees in Anthropology, Sociology, and Geology. His expertise is too vast to be limited, if you have a question about anything pertaining to primitive skills, he more than likely has an answer, or at the very least a suggestion on how to achieve it. Need to find him? Check the knapping pit.

Drea Rightsell*
Drea has been a student of the outdoors her entire life, and she brings that knowledge and enthusiasm for nature, the old ways and teaching children to Between the Rivers Gathering. She is one of the amazing people who make the Children's Program at BtR such a success!

Tom Prang*
Tom is a generalist, life-long learner, and has a BA in Archeology (specialization in lithics), and MS in Science & Environmental Education. For decades, he has done seasonal and contract fieldwork over much of the western U.S. His passion is sharing natural and cultural history experience with others (especially youth after his own struggles with Catholic grade school, and dropping out of high school). He has lived a subsistence hunter/gather lifestyle for years in Alaska. He also has backgrounds in wildland and structural firefighting and EMS. He moved to the Washington Cascades in 2015, and still enjoys the novelty of seeing the abundance and diversity of foods available in the Pacific Northwest

Adam Brown*
Adam is a valued member of our staff, and if you have navigated our camp at night by the beautiful torch and lamp light, you have Adam to thank for it. He is our Lamplighter! He is also a huge supporter of what we do at Between the Rivers, and to show that support, he offers a scholarship opportunity for full tuition to one participant each year who needs to attend, but has difficulty achieving the tuition cost. If you are interested in applying for the Lamplighter Scholarship this year please email Adam at fulywobb@hotmail.com to request an application.

Mel Beattie*
We are pleased to welcome Melvin who was recently honored in the Montana Circle of American Masters. Jackie Bread, a Blackfeet beadworker and MCAM artist from Great Falls who nominated Melvin Beattie, points out that he has a wealth of knowledge surrounding a component of Montana's cultural past - the era of the mountain men, a tradition carried forward in today's trapping culture. "He shares his knowledge and art generously, and is one-of-a-kind, a true Montana cultural gem," she says.
Mel will be helping people learn to make hard-sole moccasins, and will often be found lurking in the hide tanning area.

Ed Buzbee*
Besides being a ski bum in the winter, He has been the lead instructor for Northwest School of Survival for 10 years, professional ski patrol and avalanche control/forecaster for 10 years, he was a whitewater raft guide for 25 years, and is a natural born hillbilly! At BtR Ed will be focusing on Woodsy Wisdom for Wilderness Wanderers teaching the skills folks need to have the confidence to get out and really experience the environment safely and competently.

Nicholas Tomihama*
Hi, my name is Nick! I’m an avid archer and bowyer and absolutely love archery in all its forms. One of my dreams is to teach everyone the value of archery and the lessons that can be learned. I spend a lot of time teaching others to make their own archery equipment. I have a few books out on building bows as well as some videos on Youtube all about making your own bows and other archery tackle. I try a little bit of everything but my favorite bows are short, lighter weight recurves. There is just something about them that makes them fun to shoot and their small size usually means less handshock even at higher weights. For me there is nothing quite like a short bow with a smooth draw and good speed.

M. Clutch Lambert*
Since childhood, Michael 'Clutch' Lambert has felt a connection with nature and dreamed of being an explorer. That connection inspired him to earn his Eagle Scout, get a degree in Recreation Management at BYU-Idaho, become a Park Ranger, and work for the Utah Conservation Corp. Clutch considers his best skill telling jokes, but he also enjoys practicing and teaching friction fire, cordage, navigation and basic survival skills. He currently works for Anasazi working with youth.

Amber Rose*
The practices of Yoga & Qi Gong are traditional movements that date back at least 5,000 years. These movements were ways that people learned to care for their body, mind, and spirit. Amber has been studying yoga since 1986, and has joyfully taught throughout the Northwest since 2011. She is a Native Montanan of Ojibwa heritage and has spent her life weaving in and out of the holistic healing field. In addition to yoga, her studies include Reiki, Qi Gong, Chinese Meridian Therapy, Sound Healing and Meditation. Amber has received numerous yoga trainings in a variety of styles: Ashtanga Yoga, Vinyasa Yoga, Kundalini Yoga, Hatha Yoga, Restorative Yoga, Yin Yoga and Prenatal Yoga are among the yoga styles she shares with her students.
Amber’s greatest joys are to explore the body thru movement, enjoy the great wilderness of our home with her family, and mother her two beautiful boys. She loves helping people of all ages and abilities weave yoga into their joyful journey of life.

Kevin Kimmel*
Kevin is a Northwest local who loves to spend his time in the outdoors. Kevin is also passionate about knives and bladesmithing and he will be teaching knife making at this year's gathering, and walking students through the entire knifemaking process.

Joshua Walters
Joshua Walters was born and raised hunting, fishing and wildcrafting in the Laurel Highlands of Pennsylvania. He has been mentoring youth
and adults in ancestral skills since 2005 in a variety of different ecosystems from the Ozarks, Azores, and the Rocky Mtns. He has designed and coordinated nature awareness and ancestral skills programs with Twin Eagles Wilderness School, Ozark Tracker Society and enjoys sharing his passion of the wilds with whomever he shall be sitting around the fire with. A builder of shelters, lover of life, singer of songs and a gifted storyteller who calls the Priest River watershed of Northern Idaho home.

Tom Lutyens
Tom started his teaching career at the age of 13 at scout camp through swimming. He was a canoe guide and taught wilderness skills with the Boy Scouts of America for 60 years. Tom worked as a United States Air Force Survival Instructor at Ely and Quetico from 1968-1988. A retired Air Force Tech Sergeant, Lutyens spent the last eight of his 20 year military hitch as a survival instructor in Alaska, training air crews how to protect themselves if they crashed in the arctic.He worked as a contractor for Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape school at Fairchild Air Force Base and also as an instructor for Alaska Search and Rescue/Emergency Response. He has assisted with many outdoor program groups as a mentor and continues to learn new ideas with younger outdoor folks. He says he will keep going as long as God allows.

Ford Erickson*
As a young lad Ford despised boy scouts and camping but then after a series of strange events possibly related to aliens, his heart changed. Ford went on to work at the Anasazi Foundation as a backcountry guide and primitive skills instructor to at risk youth and young adults. He also has been an instructor for the teens at Rabbitstick gathering in Idaho.
Ford’s other interests include shredding on guitar in a touring rock opera, making strange youtube videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/FordThunderErickson), Taco Bell, donuts, pizza, eggo waffles, talking to Clutch Lambert, and eating donuts with Clutch Lambert.

Meg Evans*
Meg is a lifelong student and outdoors enthusiast, Meg hails from the forests of Virginia. Currently residing in Tucson Arizona, she works for the Anasazi Foundation as trail staff and spends the rest of her time learning new skills, painting, and petting cats.

Terry Kramer
Terry has been instructing at skills gatherings for many years and is proficient at many skills. He plans to share a few with us this year including flintknapping and woodcarving.

Katherine Spann
Katherine is a nature guide, herbalist, and teacher. She shares a pathway for personal transformation using a variety of skills including natural wellness, herbalism, immersion in nature, wild awareness, wilderness living skills, organic architecture, and land stewardship. Katherine has lived and travelled widely in Britain, Europe, Russia, and the Americas asking, “What actually is the natural human way?” She holds a Master of Arts in Medieval History and Russian Studies, a Master of Sciences by Research in Linguistics from the University of Edinburgh, and a Diploma in Herbology from the Royal Botanic Gardens of Edinburgh. She has worked as a community herbalist since 2013. She currently lives in North Idaho. https://katherinespann.com/

MARK K. BAYLESS*
Mark is an artist and an environmental consultant, a maker, by inclination and by pursuit. He works mainly as a sculptor of stone, wood and steel. He also creates paintings based on petroglyphs.
He came into the primitive skills community through the Anasazi Foundation. He has taught at Rabbit Stick, Winter Count and Elements gatherings. He will be teaching stone pendant making from soft stones, soapstone fetish carving and pictograph painting.
As an overall philosophy of life, Mark believes in having fun and sharing it with others. He believes that we are here on this wonderful blue marble whirling through space to learn from each other and learn to love our fellow travelers.
Check out Mark's Website!

Tamara Wilder
Tamara became fascinated by ancient living skills in 1989 when she attended the Glass Buttes Knap In and Rabbitstick Skills Gathering. She was "hooked" and quickly began incorporating the practice of skills into her daily experience. Ever since, she has been dedicating her life to enjoying, learning, researching, experimenting with, writing about and teaching Paleo Technologies through a variety of programs, workshops & demonstrations on a range of skill topics at a plethora of locations through her company Paleotechnics: Arts & Technologies of Earth Peoples.

Her main offerings are Ancient Living Skills Overview Programs for grade schools and home school groups all around Northern California, and also as part of longer adult programs such as the Occidental Arts & Ecology Center's Permaculture Design Course and the California School of Herbal Studies' Roots of Herbalism / Foundations of Health Course.

A co-author of the book Buckskin: The Ancient Art of Braintanning, the handbooks "So You Have a Dead Animal", "Sharpening", "Sustainable Harvest" & "Using the Whole Animal" and numerous chapters in books Woodsmoke, Primitive Technology 1 and Primitive Technology 2, she has long been instructing at Ancestral Living Skills events around the western states for the past 30 years.
More info can be found at her website https://www.paleotechnics.com

Raena Riese*
Born and raised in Topanga Canyon, Raena Riese has always had a passion for the outdoors. Being homeschooled through her childhood instilled in her a love of all things nature and nurture. She began attending primitive skills gatherings at age 13 and has been hooked ever since. Raena currently teaches kid yoga, animal husbandry and plant identification/medicinal uses at a nature connection based preschool in Topanga. Her biggest passion is learning through nature with her students while guiding them to their innate knowledge of these skills through deep nature connection, playing games, dancing, silent time and drawing. Outside of her time with kids, her current obsession is her new drop spindle and learning how to create with it. When she isn’t doing anything listed above she is most likely learning new skills, roadtripping, camping, backpacking, hiking or at the beach.
This year at Between the Rivers she will be teaching the 4-7 year old Nature Ninjas in kids camp along with the wonderful Kerri and Amy.

Ranger Chase*
Chase got his start in copper and tin smithing a few years ago and was hooked! He was fortunate to learn from the best and seeks to replicate the craftsmanship and quality of his mentor. Chase started teaching copper and tin at primitive skills gatherings and loves to share his hobby with anyone willing to learn. Chase enjoys the challenge and meditative element of the art of tin and copper smithing. He loves to create practical working art and using tools from the 1800’s. Chase enjoys the connection he feels to the past when using the same tools that were used by others over 200 years ago. He plans to teach tin and copper smithing at Between the Rivers this year.

Scott Wright*
Scott is committed to leading visionary thought into the world through educational and mentoring solutions that create meaningful impact by bringing about change to the way people view and interact with the world of today. By focusing on the mind and the heart, Wright creates an experience on powerful, unseen principles that underline the human experience and one’s individual capacity for insight into their own unique talents and capacities. Scott is planning to teach classes on mindfulness, and how to use Nature as your guide in life. The setting for this event is a perfect backdrop to experience Mother Nature in all her beauty. His classes incorporate the use of music, smudging, and being present to find your inner guide. Possible topics include, Sacred Plants, Music, Sunflowers, Nature’s Symbolism, and our connection to all that is. Come join and bring your own vision of how you see the World.

Brad Wade*
My name is Brad Wade. I attended my 1st primitive skills gathering (Rabbit Stick) in 1993 after just coming off my 28 day survival course with the Boulder outdoor survival school. My love for these gatherings quickly grew. I love the people and the connections I've made from attending such gatherings. I now run my own outdoor family skills gathering, called Fire to Fire, in Tabiona Ut. FiretoFire.com I also enjoy working with the youth and the next generation coming up, I feel the importance of sharing and giving back to this age group, as I was this age when I came into this awesome community! It's a time of life where kids need positive influences. I have loved working with the young men in my area, to have them aim high, as we work on things, do service projects and go on difficult but fun backpacking adventures. Doing these things helps young men earn the experiences necessary to become more successful as they enter adulthood. I am excited to attend B.T.R this year. Gatherings such as these provide ways for us to learn skills and connect with people on a very unique level.

Jim Croft*
After returning from Europe in 1970, I made bread on the first day and started learning hand bookbinding on the second day. By 1972 I was off-grid, back to the land, and wanted to study traditional hand methods around the world. The reason I like studying what took humans thousands of years of accumulated knowledge to learn is that it works so well. I teach a class on making a late Medieval book from raw materials in two weeks – make bone tools paper, thread from flax stalk, wooden covers, brass clasps, parchment and leather.
Classes for BtR: 1) Making bone tools and objects from deer, elk, and moose bone – bones will be supplied and/or bring your own found bone, antler or horn. 2) Pocket size leather book – paper sections sewn onto full leather with flap. 3) Undecided yet.

Abe Paris*
Hi! I’m Abe and I’ve been coming to primitive skills gatherings since I was 8 years old. At my first gathering I was really impressed by all of the trading that people were doing and I thought it was really fun and interesting, so I decided to focus on trading and buying and selling at future gatherings. I love rocks and crystals and knives and cool old tools and stuff and so I started to build up an inventory. At each gathering my trade blanket got bigger and people got to know me as a trader. I also learned wire wrapping from Paul Wright and began making my own wire-wrapped crystals and jewelry. Over the years, I’ve learned a lot about stones and knives and other items I’ve traded, and also about trade blanket etiquette and procedures. I now teach classes to youth and children about how trading works at gatherings and how to navigate trade blanket get-togethers.

Hailu Gabriel*
Hailu fondly fools with flora for food, fiber, and fire. Whether he's teaching his girls to identify horseweed while driving, using cattail for his very first bowdrill success, or nurturing "weeds" in his yard, you can be sure he's getting distracted by all the useful plants. This year Hailu will be sharing primitive skills still practiced in Ethiopia.

George Bryce
George lives in Montana and attends several knap-ins around the Northwest and sometimes Canada. He is interested in all stone tools and lithic technology, anything ancient. He works with obsidian, however, very much likes other stone such as cherts, chalcedony and porcelinite. He has a soft spot for primitive archery and flint lock rifles.

Amy Stephensen*
Amy will be working as an instructor at kids camp this year. She lives in Sandpoint, Idaho with her husband and twin boys and has been coming to BTR for the past three years. She first became involved in the primitive skills community when working in wilderness therapy at ANASAZI in 2001, where she worked off and on over a 10 year period. Amy taught high school art for multiple years and loves exploring the world, having visited 26 countries on five continents. She loves to create and learn, and looks forward to doing both along side some of BTR's youngest participants.

Joshua Lisbon
Joshua has been practicing primitive skills since he was a child, and has been teaching those skills for almost 20 years. He began tanning hides 10 years ago and has studied under several experts, but the real proof is in practice. Over time, he has honed his own method that produces consistent results and soft, beautiful hides. He’s excited for this opportunity to share the amazing process of making traditional buckskin.
At Rabbitstick each fall, Joshua teaches a ‘choose your own adventure’ buckskin sewing class, where students learn to turn their hides into useful items. Students make anything from clothing to backpacks to moccasins.
When Joshua is not teaching traditional skills, or tanning hides, he is the education director for a large conservation organization. There he works to connect students of all ages to the scientific research taking place on the property. He has designed and implemented wilderness and experiential-based education programs for different agencies since 2001, and in that time has worked extensively with under-served populations. He also runs a mountain lion study and spends the winter months tracking cougars in the backcountry. As an avid outdoorsman, he enjoys any pursuit that keeps him connected to the natural world.

Mullein Jane Farneman*
Mullein Jane attended her first primitive skills gathering at 4 months of age and has been going ever since. She incorporates sustainability, low waste and agricultural skills into her everyday life as she turns her focuses on ancestral nutrition. She values the eclectic, personal connections made during gatherings and currently brings her general outdoor knowledge to autistic youth as she works as a recreational coach. As an integral part of our Between the Rivers administrative team, she assists with registration and check-in at the office when you arrive, and she also fields the majority of the questions from our website traffic.

Kirsten Longmeier*
Kirsten is a resident of North Idaho and lives on a 5-acre homestead with her hide-tanner husband, Shaun Deller, and their two littles, Lars and Bjorn. She has lived the (somewhat) simple life for the past 12 years, tending her flock of sheep, chickens, gardening and perfecting the art of sauerkraut. Her crafting specialty is spinning and knitting. She'll be leading a community knitted quilt project this year.

Grey Cowan*
Grey was trained at the PAST Skills Wilderness School in Bozeman, MT. He has been teaching and expanding his knowledge around nature connection and primitive skills on a daily basis since 2011. He has worked for various Wilderness Schools in Washington, Oregon, Montana, and Texas. He grew up in Albuquerque, NM wandering in the Sandia Mountains foothills. He became an Eagle Scout in 2002. He currently resides in Missoula, MT where he teaches nature connection and primitive skills for non-profits: Aspire Middle and High School, eNDVR grade school, and facilitates Learning with Meaning's primitive skills summer camps. You can look at his Instagram here.

Emily Bartle*
Emily Bartle has been running ever since she ran away from her hometown in Ohio. She runs in Mountains and meadows, runs along rivers, highways and hillsides and and runs down train tracks even when loco-motives are coming right at her. She is an avid Backpacker and has done an immense amount of survival trips, wild food walkabouts, minimalist self-supported Ultra-runs, and some straight up hobo/hillbilly adventures. This year she will be sharing freedom running, and some fun balls-to-the-wall adult field games. And if we can get her to not shy away from a group of people she may hold a lecture on some of her minimalist long distance treks.

Gary Steele*
Gary moved to Western Montana in 1976 following his dream to live in the wilds of the Rocky Mountains. He built a small cabin in the foothills of the Mission Mtns, where he had more bears for neighbors than people. There, he was able to find the dreams he sought. Gary rode his horses thousands of miles in the Bob Marshal Wilderness, guided backpacking and sea kayak adventures in Yellowstone and the Sea of Cortez. He rode his motorcycle throughout the backroads and blue highways from Canada to Nicaragua, and sailed the Caribbean with the 23 Peaks Expedition. He became a white water kayak instructor and was a EMT on a volunteer ambulance service for 10 years. About 30 years ago Gary found how much he enjoyed teaching his outdoor skills to kids of all ages. Six years ago Gary started the Gettin' Primitive program, where he focuses on primitive skills. Through Gettin' Primitive he has mentored Boy Scouts, University archeology classes and elementary schools. During the summers he hosts multi-day camps in the shadows of the majestic Mission Mountains. Four years ago he brought his Gettin' Primitive program to the Resort at Paws Up on the Blackfoot river in Montana. He now spends a good part of the spring and summer as the Mountain Man in resident at the Paws Up Ranch. Gary has taught at WinterCount making bows and atlatls and giving knife throwing lessons. Gary is Married to Teri Miller, a paramedic who sets up and runs medical units for the forest service at wild fires. She also makes wool capotes and blanket shirts. Gary he can be reached at 406-544-2725 Teri can be reached at 406-544-3070 Facebook: Gettin’ Primitive, & ETSY: GettinPrimitive

Kandis Larson*

Kandis currently lives in Colbert, WA and is one of our local primitive skills practitioners and outdoor living enthusiasts. She has picked leatherwork and beadwork from her many talents and skills to share with us at the gathering.
When she is not at a gathering you can often find her riding her mountain bike, or just chilling in her hand-crafted cabin

Cat Farneman*

Cat is a well-known herbalist and wild medicine specialist. She has been teaching herbal medicine at gatherings since 1997, and she will guide you through holistic processes of finding and choosing your herbs and learning to make appropriate medicines that are tailor made for your body. Check out her wares on her website here.

Bob Kitch*

Bob Kitch is well known around the country for his skill in making and using the ancient weapons system of the Atlatl and Dart. Many have made an Atlatl with Bob and learned to use the technology that brought down the mammoth, and that was still in use until nearly modern times. This weapon has seen a resurgence in popularity in recent times. Bob will be in charge of the ISAC World Atlatl competition at BtR.

Kamber Farneman*

Shown here teaching a class in the technology of writing, Kamber loves the unique bits of human history that many take for granted. In her classes you will not only learn skills, you will learn the historical context that surrounds that skill and brings it to life. At Between the Rivers she plans to teach her Technology of Writing class which includes learning to make quill pens and write with them. Kamber also has an antiques and vintage store in Chewelah, WA called Black Sheep Vintage - follow her on facebook here.

Gayle Kitch*

Gayle is a long-time enthusiast and fine human being at primitive skills gatherings around the West. A resident of Washington State, she will be at Between the Rivers Gathering this year teaching students the art of beadwork.

Rosemary Wells*

Rosemary is accomplished in a myriad of primitive skills and simple living. She has a Master's degree in Clinical Social Work, but at the gathering she will teach Felting (felt-making) from natural wool, and maple tree tapping and syrup making as taught to her by her grandfather from Nova Scotia. She also teaches spinning, food preservation and natural yeast breads.

Emil Daily*

Emil is an avid gardener and homesteader, and has a host of other skills including how to sharpen and use crosscut saws. He is one of the guys that keeps camp running, and he is the camp handyman. Watch for him in the evenings around raffle time for good fundraising fun!

Kirby Records*

Kirby is the Man in Buckskin! He is also a man of many skills, including flintknapping, bow making, leather tanning and use, and more. He is also the author of the young-adult novel, "Grandfather's Cave." This year he will be teaching the art of leather tooling, and he will often be heard singing and playing the guitar. Kirby's literary works and projects can be seen here.

Dr. Leland Gilsen
Retired State Archaeology for Oregon. Helped run echoes-in-time event for years. Has made replica artifacts covering 14,000 years of Oregon prehistory for a Traveling Museum, now run by Dr. Patrick O'Grady who works for the Oregon State Museum of Anthropology in Eugene. His web site is here. He is the author of a young-adult novel: Diggin' It available on Amazon. If you have questions about archaeology or early technology he can probably help you out.

Leah Daily*
Leah grew up off-grid and after leaving home, finishing college, and starting a family, has returned to a simpler way of life (mixed with some modern conveniences). Leah has a love for gardening and self sufficiency. She is our kitchen manager, and one of the essential staff that keeps BtR running.

Cassie Faggion*
Hailing from North Idaho, Cassie has been learning and teaching skills and nature awareness to all ages for over a decade. When she's not out chasing down that mystery bird song, or hunting whatever herbs are in season, she loves to weave. This year, she will be teaching Adirondack-style pack basket making.

Mick Robins*
Mick is a retired archaeologist and resides in Southwest Washington with his family. He has a passion for modern homesteading, country crafts, and living history. He volunteers at the carpentry shop in Fort Vancouver, (a reconstructed Hudson's Bay trading post), and has taught several classes in bowl turning on a pole lathe. In addition to woodworking Mick has skills in tin and copper smithing. He plans to teach tinsmithing at this year’s gathering.

Todd Isaac*
Todd is a Hunter/Gatherer who loves the great outdoors. I hang my hat in Northeastern Wa. I enjoy spending time with family and friends, organic gardening, self sufficiency, angling, traditional archery, and practicing primitive skills. He is one of the core staff that keeps the camp running each year!

Jessica Spurr *
Jessica Spurr is a local wildcrafter, herbalist, permaculturist and teacher. She has been studying plants and their symbiotic relations with humans, other plants and the celestial bodies since 2012. "The deeper into botanical study I go, the more I realize I have to learn, how exciting!" She teaches a range of medicine making workshops as well as orchestrating plant walks. She is also the ship steerer for the Spokane Herbal Faire. (would u be willing to link to the site?) Currently she is working to set up an Herbalists Without Borders clinic in Spokane. She loves her family, plants and singing!

Rene' Nolting*
Rene' (skeleton lady), has 10 years’ worth of experience in Industrial EMS working in remote locations. She currently resides in Leduc, Alberta, Canada. She is a long time participant in gathering and survival courses, and this year she will be teaching silversmithing, casting molten copper and weaving hemp jewelry at Between the Rivers Gathering.

Rod Dotson
Rod has been practicing ancestral skills since he was very young, and he is a highly skilled primitive technologist in many areas including flintknapping, stonework, tool making, primitive pottery, and blacksmithing, to name a few. He currently lives in Boise, ID. He will be teaching primitive pottery at this year's gathering.

Goode Jones*
Goode is a long time primitive skills practitioner, artist, and one of the founders of Echoes in Time Gathering near Salem, OR. There aren't a lot of skills that Goode isn't good at, so if you have a chance, sit down with him and learn whatever he happens to be teaching. He is also an accomplished guitarist - one of several in camp!

Vicki Hillstrom*
Vicki learned felt making from Jack Fee over 7 years ago while apprenticing with him for 5 months, and since she has taught felting at Acorn, Elements, Saskatoon, Buckeye, Echoes in Time, Rabbitstick, and Wintercount gatherings, and she holds workshops in felting everywhere. She will be one of our felting instructors this year at Between the Rivers.

Katie Russell*
Katie is a driving force in primitive skills in the Northwest. She is instrumental in making Saskatoon Circle happen every year in September in the Methow Valley, WA. For the past few years she has led Buffalo Bridge in Montana helping traditional hunters to process their kills. She has also spent time teaching people on the Nez Pierce reservation how to make brain tanned buckskin. Katie has a diverse skill set, and we are thrilled that she plans to share some of it with us at this year's gathering!

Caren Larsson*
Caren hails from Victoria, BC and has been attending and teaching at primitive skills gatherings for more than 2 decades. She is proficient in a myriad of skills, especially those of the northern forest. At Backtracks gatherings she has most commonly taught birchbark containers, and we presume that she may do that at BtR this year.

Hari Heath*
Hari, a longtime primitive enthusiast, is coming from Santa, Idaho where he lives and works in the woods. He will be teaching paddle carving and making diddley bows, a primitive musical instrument from the plantations. He will also share in the Scottish Highland fun.

John Huffstutter*
John Huffstutter's Quailside Forge in Chewelah, WA grew from his passion for making "stuff." A change of careers gave him the opportunity to turn an eclectic collection of interests and hobbies into a focused avocation. He has now been blacksmithing for more than ten years, with a focus on traditional styles and methods. He blends smithing with woodworking and his other hobbies to produce attractive and functional items. Blacksmithing is physical, mental, creative and fun... come learn how to use an anvil, a hammer, and a fire to make metal bend to your will.

Hilary & Jed Petterson
Hilary and Jed live off grid in the forests of Northern Idaho and are both passionate about a variety of primitive living and homestead skills. Jed is a natural builder and craftsman and will be primarily offering classes on primitive shelters and backwoods building skills. Hilary has been teaching primitive skills for the last decade and this year at Between the Rivers will be teaching how to make a variety of primitive containers from bark to buckskin.

Pete & Kerri*
Pete and Kerri became involved in the traditional skills world while being trail staff at Anasazi Foundation. Pete is a certified in Permaculture, he had studied Western Herbology for many years, has taught traditional woodworking in a middle/elementary school, he is a treasure hunter, he has also been a farmer, and is a proud papa to four boys. Kerri loves long walks on the beach and a good reads, between providing and making home for five boys, that number includes her husband.

Jim Langell*
Jim Langell enjoys fishing and hunting. He is a father and grandfather and loves helping children connect with using bows and arrows. Jim puts a lot of time and effort into making template bows for kids of all ages. He is an extremely generous man and we are thrilled to have him teach bow making at Between the Rivers Gathering!

Peter Michael Bauer
is a student and teacher of ancestral technology, specializing in basketry, bone tools, and friction fire. He is the organizer of Echoes in Time, Oregon's oldest ancestral skills gathering.

Barnes
When I asked Barnes what he will be teaching this year at Between the Rivers Gathering next month, he said, “Bison!” “All things Bison.” “I’m gonna team up with Katie and we are gonna teach a bunch of bison stuff, and tan a robe, and make tools, and tail switches, and whatnot.” It sounds good to me!

Randy Breewsma
is the power behind Karamat Wilderness Ways’
in Canada, and has been to and instructed at Rabbitstick, Wintercount, Winter Camping Symposium, Rat Root, Northern Lights primitive skills gathering, Sundog, Frostbite, and Junior Forest Wardens gatherings. He is currently spearheading the Global Bushcraft Symposium in June of 2019.

Callie Russell*
Callie has been on the trail and teaching primitive skills for many years. As far as we know, she and Katie are not related, but they like a lot of the same things. Callie plans to share her knowledge of whole-shoot basketry, rice processing, and wild edibles!

Justin and Kylie Schramm*
Justin and Kylee are our resident Highland Gamers. Justin was mentored by Patrick in his youth and through him learned the love for the outdoors and primitive skills. Kylee would backpack every summer growing up. The two currently compete in Utah Highland Games and have been quickly moving up the ranks. They'll be teaching technique and judging for the Highland Games here at BTR with daily classes to get your skills competition ready. The Schramm's also enjoy hiking and traveling and are excited to be back at Between the Rivers.

Paul Rodgers*
Paul has been a woodworker all of his adult life. With decades of experience as a primitive bowyer, he has made more than a thousand bows of varying designs, always striving to learn something new each time. Some of his bows can be found in the Traditional Bowyers Bible, as well as in museums. He is passionate about bow making and especially enjoys teaching the skill to others, typically Osage flat bows and Pacific Yew longbows. In addition to teaching, Paul cuts his own trees and sells bow staves to the public. He and his wife Melissa travel in their Gypsy wagon to various primitive skills gatherings in the western states.

David “Norseman” Williams*
David is a retired US Marine Gunnery Sergeant. While on active duty he specialized in training Scout Snipers and Military Mountaineers. At the Mountain Warfare Training Center he was instrumental in re building the winter and summer mountain survival courses. As an International SERE (Survival Evasion Resistance Escape) Instructor he aided in the most current updates to joint services manual for evasion and recovery. Since retiring Norseman helps people to re connect with nature as a YouTube video influencer (SURVIVOLOGY 101), and also volunteers as mentor for many outdoor programs. He is a staff editor for Breach Bang Clear and has been published in Survival Quarterly Magazine, Knives illustrated, and American Survival Guide. He is also trained as a big game hunting guide, mule packer, and saddle maker. Norseman alongside his wife run a small business (Survival Hardware LLC) in Priest River, Idaho, handcrafting survival tools and heritage leather goods. He will be leading a workshop on camouflage and movement application and theory, (the Scout ways of being). If you plan on attending please bring extra clothing that can be covered in fun IE: dirt, mud, clay, and vegetation. Long sleeve shirt and long pants are best in earth-toned colors. Norseman can be contacted at Survivology101@gmail.com

James Turner*
James has spent over 20 years learning and practicing ancient living skills. From an early age he loved the simplicity and peacefulness of spending time in nature. He currently is a Jr. High history teacher in the Spokane area. He holds a Master’s degree in Outdoor Education and has a passion to connect young and old with the never ending adventure that follows those individuals that seek a relationship with nature. He has worked as a backpacking guide in Yosemite N.P., taught survival skills at various events and programs and has been invited to lecture at different venues on topics ranging from primitive skills to cast iron cooking. He is a top ranked Atlatl thrower and some of his other specialties include brain tanning, friction fire, wool blankets, vintage cast iron identification and bird language.

Finisia Medrano*
For the past few decades, Finisia lived on "the Hoop," a nomadic lifestyle traditionally practiced by Native Americans and now known to only a few. She moved seasonally by horse and taught her skills and shared her knowledge with many interested students. The Hoop is a relic yet it represents what might be the only truly sustainable way for humans to live on the earth. In the spring is fresh grass for horses, greens and first roots for people. Summer brings stonefruits in the valleys and berries up in the hills. Later summer into autumn seeds ripen and are collected for planting back along the life giving hoop. Winter sets the tone for creating, mending and dreaming. At the heart of a Hoop-centered lifestyle is giving back, planting with active intention for an abundant future and -- in these modern times -- to subvert the decaying technological society. During the past decade, Finisia has opened the bundle that is herself: her intimate knowledge and experience with the indigenous first foods and the practical awareness of how to walk a life based around their success. She has been sharing this with all those she connects with.

Adam Hardy*
Adam hails from Rexburg Idaho, just a few miles from the site of Rabbistick. When he’s not making pottery or books or fire or spoons or building houses, he’s studying as an art student at Utah State. He fell in love with the quiet elegance of primitive skills while walking with the Anasazi Foundation, but has always had an incessant curiosity about the natural world. This will be his first year at BTR.

James Keffer*
Former USMC Officer with extensive World Travel with exposure to primitive people and technology, James grew up in the outdoors, hunting, fishing, trapping, camping and exploring. I was strongly influence by the book Outdoor Survival Skills by the late Larry Dean Olsen who I had the good fortune to meet in 1972. He inspired me to learn all I could about Wilderness Survival and Primitive Skill. James has taken several survival training courses including Jungle Survival in the Philippines and Cold Weather Survival in Japan.
A Certified Instructor in First Aid/CPR/AED and Wilderness and Remote First Aid, James is also a Chief Hunter Safety Instructor for the Washington DFW.
James hosts numerous Primitive, Traditional and Bushcraft Skills Workshops at his shop in Sammamish, WA and hosts the Annual Sammamish Knap-in of the Puget Sound Knappers.
He teaches Flintknapping, traditional glue making (pine pitch/hide/birch bark glue) and PVC bows and is available to assist it many other skills.
You can find out more about James by visiting http://pugetsoundknappers.com/events.html and checking out the numerous workshops he hosts at his shop in Sammamish.

Paul Wright*
Paul has been an avid outdoorsman all his life. Spending most of his life in Southeast Idaho and Bear Lake County he gained an appreciation for all things in Nature and a close relationship to Native American Traditions. He has experienced much in life, as an avid hunter and outdoorsman. He was a hunting guide and worked in taxidermy for several years. Due in his interest in History and Culture he was the President of the Upper Snake River Valley historical society and served on the board for 5 years. His interest in the art of Flint Knapping began when he met Dave Wescott and started attending the Rabbit Stick gatherings in 1995. Since then he has honed his skills and freely shared his experience with those around him. His work can be found all over the west in stores and homes.
He has an affinity for working with Stones, as he would say “I like to play with Rocks” and has produced some beautiful work with Fire Opals from the mine in Spencer, Idaho. He has developed the skill of wire wrapping stones and jewelry, as well as setting his stones in silver and gold for rings, earrings, pendants, etc. His magnetic personality and jovial persona draw others to him in a very natural way. He has the “gift of gab” as some would say, and is a great person to get to know around a fire. He and his brother Scott open their camp to anyone to join in an evening of conversation and music as part of connecting to each other, and inviting others to join. He is affectionately know as “Pauli Lama” because of his clear way of seeing and expressing himself.

Melody Eckroth*
I’ve always been making things. I felt the back to the land movement of the 60’s and 70’s gave me the inspiration and the far flung supportive community to explore alterations to my earlier life. Necessity is a great motivator. I acquired skills in gardening, wildcrafting, basketmaking, sewing, fiber arts for yarn and so on. I’ve lived in Santa, Idaho, Northern Panhandle for the last 42 years enjoying the good life with Jim Croft.
Classes I’ll teach: 1) Small cedar bark basket. 2) Splitting roots or using rattan to make a small strainer. 3) Making or reading a grafted pattern to use in a crocheted project. 4) Drop-spinning Wool.

Artemis Bayless*
Hi! I’m Artemis and I began attending primitive skills gatherings in 2012. I was immediately hooked on all the learning and on all of the outstanding people I met in the primitive skills community. Some skills I have picked up include: pine needle basketry, shoemaking from leather and wool, wet felting and needle felting, twining basketry, and herbal medicine making. I have 15+years of experience as a clairvoyant healing facilitator, so, as an instructor I teach classes related to safely and effectively working with energy. I also conduct healing circles and one-on-one healing sessions. Working with my healing gifts within the container of a gathering has proven to be a powerful and transformative experience for both myself and those seeking healing support. For more information about my clairvoyant healing gifts and how I work, go to http://www.artemishealingart.com/ . I am also an art teacher and a kids’ yoga instructor, so I often teach in the children’s programs. Other interests include fiddle and harp playing and singing-if you hear one lone fiddle in camp just having fun, it’s probably me! Come and say hi!

Paul Wagner*
Paul has a lifelong interest in natural history, wilderness travel, primitive skills. He likes making things by hand that are useful and beautiful. A professional Biologist and an accomplished woodworker, Paul has been practicing blacksmithing for over 20 years. When not at the forge, he enjoys exploring the wilderness coastlines of BC and Alaska by seakayak.

Uri
Born in 1981, lives with my wonderful wife in Yodfat, Israel.
Since I remember myself, I was fascinated by the beauty, power and mystery of nature. hiking, wandering and backpacking was major part of my early life stages. At the age of 16 I became backpacking guide in SPNI (Society Protecting Nature in Israel)
During my army service I met "Shomrei Hagan" which is Nature connection organization (founded by Ofer Israeli – tom's brown student) here in Israel. For the first time in my life I felt that there people like me, which means (for that time in my life) that I don't have to spent the rest of my adult life on a lonely Island – away from civilization and that I'm not the only crazy one that is deeply in love with nature! I worked for few years as field ornithologist in SPNI and later as field botanist and ecological surveys coordinator in SPNI.
In 2012 I made biggest dream come through: to live fully as hunter-gatherer with my amazing teacher Lynx Vilden. Coming back to Israel from stone age I founded "Avnei Derech" (stones of the path) – Primitive skills gathering, Inspired by Rabittstick. In March 2019 we'll celebrate our 10th gathering! While dream after dream was coming through, I met Bird language and…. My mind was blown away! How come I spent the major part of my life outdoors without understanding what the birds are telling me? Or about me???
I felt in Love and In 2014 I founded "Sfat Hatsiporim" – Bird language Israel. giving workshops and courses about Bird language and deep nature connection. In 2018-9 we have five different year-long programs and another five 3-months courses and may other short event.

Bryce Wood
Bryce has been studying and sharing his enthusiasm for blade smithing for over twenty years. He brings a unique low tech approach to blacksmithing seldom seen outside of non-affluent countries. Bryce emphasizes the use of hand tools and the virtues of simplicity as he guides students through the process of making a knife. He makes the dubious claim of being primarily self taught, but has studied with renown knife maker Tai Goo as of late. When not writing bios about himself he likes living off-grid, making stuff, walking, dancing, beachcombing, camping and looking at flowers, among other pretty things.

Eddie Spicer*
Eddie lives with his boys in the Idaho panhandle so far north, that if he stands on his gypsy wagon he can see Canada. He lives simply, and there aren't a whole lot of things he can't do. He is a natural story teller, and he can often be found with a guitar in hand. He plans to teach about the tinder fungus and will also have a class on practical knots. He may be talked into teaching other subjects as well if you ask...

Mikhail Merkurieff*
Mikhail is the head mad scientist and inventor at Emberlit Stoves and Merkwares. At BtR 2019 he taught Indonesian Rat Traps. He is also an accomplished illustrator. If you need him, he will be in his laboratory.

Lori Breeuwsma*
Lori is the administrator of Karamat Wilderness Ways in Alberta Canada and also does instruction on the needle arts, natural crafting and some primitive skills. She has been to and instructed at Rabbitstick, Wintercount, Northern Lights Primitive Skills Gathering, Frostbite Winter Camping Symposium, Junior Forest Warden Gatherings and was on the committee for the Global Bushcraft Sympsoium in June of 2019. Randy and Lori also have the Rat Root Rendezvous in August and run 7 day Winter and Summer Wilderness Living Skills/Survival Courses.

Ken Peek*
Ken has been flintknapping for over 25 years and has studied with some amazing master rock breakers including Greg Nunn, Larry Kinsella, Craig Ratzat, John Kiernan and more. He is the creator of the Coyote Hills Knapp-In in Fremont, CA and he has taught classes and demonstrations in flintknapping and lithic technology in many places. Ken will be one of our expert instructors in the knapping pit at BtR.

Alex Heathen*
Alex lives in North Central Washington with his family and community of earth centered kindred. Aside from being a father, chopping wood and carrying water, he is passionate about animal processing and hide tanning, horses and developing his skills as a ferrier, playing music and enjoying time in nature. Alex will be teaching an involved class in whole animal processing.

Mike Tari*
With a passion for nature, ancestral skills, and spiritual traditions, Mike has been practicing and teaching primitive skills for most of his life. In 1989, he started teaching at Rabbitstick; since then, has taught primitive skills and bushcrafting at other gatherings such as, Winter Count, Earth Walk Northwest, Anasazi Boy Scout Explorer Camp, and for some private organizations and the Boy Scouts; he has also co-hosted the Goldendale and Ellensburg Knappins. While Mike’s interest and experience in the primitive skills is extensive, he primarily focuses his teaching on wide variety of friction fire methods, shelter crafting, hide tanning, bow and arrow making, flint knapping, fiber footwear, rawhide painting, and the Try Stick.
This year, Mike will be teaching the Mammoth Cave Slipper and the Trystick. The Mammoth Cave Slipper, is a twined slipper based on the original 6,000 year old Mammoth Cave Kentucky Slipper. The Try Stick, as originally taught by Mors Kohansky, will focus on the safe, efficient, and skillful use of the knife, while learning some of the carving techniques and practical applications that may be useful in wilderness living.

Heidi Lamb Castle, MS*
Heidi is a Love Warrior. Her life’s passion is building people up and supporting them through life's challenges. Grief, loss, and abuse are not strangers to Heidi. Experiencing life, knowing death and living each moment curiously has helped her recognize the synchronicity and beauty in all of life’s experiences. Experience has ignited her desire to help others with their own grief, self-compassion, and healing.
An outdoor and ancestral skills enthusiast, Heidi brings a childlike curiosity to all she does. She is a lifelong learner, Holds a Master’s degree in Counseling and teaches at the University of Minnesota in Education and Natural Resources. She loves teaching yoga in her spare time.
Heidi is a mountain girl from Idaho, she currently hails from the prairie in North Dakota. Her hobbies include writing poetry, blogging, spoon carving, yodeling, singing, basketry, homeschooling, mushroom foraging, and travel.

Other Instructors for our next Gathering: Kerr Duson, Nathan Donnelly, Loveness Wesa, Mara Cur, Heidi Hampe, Mary Wiedl, Dan Nanamkin

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Information for Instructors

It is important for our Instructors to know what to expect and to be prepared for a successful event. Instructor spaces are limited at this event and are pre-arranged because we are trying to provide a wide array of classes while avoiding too much class subject duplication. We wish to have the basics covered and still have a good variety of subjects & skill levels. Instructors who have taught a subject in previous years will have preference. Please do not show up at the gate with no prior communication with us and expect to be an instructor.

Material Skills are the emphasis at this gathering. We believe that awareness is fantastic, and we desire to take people to the next level of competence and confidence in primitive skills, survival, wilderness and homestead basics, and the fine-arts of outdoor living.

If you are an interested primitive skills instructor please email Patrick at patrickf@bridgestothepast.org for more info, or call 509-936-1599. We will email or snail mail an instructor packet to you with detailed information. (email preferred) We will confirm your acceptance as an instructor prior to the event start date. You will not be able to show up at the gate and have instructor status without prior contact and approval!

Instructors who have already confirmed attendance - please email Patrick your Bio Info & a photo of yourself for inclusion on the website if you haven't done so already. Thanks!